47th anniversary of JFK's assassination

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President John F. Kennedy shakes hands with supporters during his visit to Fort Worth, Texas, Nov. 22, 1963.

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A Secret Service agent jumps on the back of the open limousine that President John F. Kennedy and first lady Jacqueline Kennedy are riding in through downtown Dallas, Texas, on Nov. 22, 1963.

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Members of the Kennedy family at the funeral of assassinated President John F. Kennedy in Washington. From left: Edward Kennedy, Caroline Kennedy, (age 6), Jackie Kennedy (1929-94), Attorney General Robert Kennedy and John Kennedy (1960-99) (age 3).

Here is an interesting read by one of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy's Secret Service agents, Clint Hill, recounting JFK's fateful ride 47 years ago on Nov. 22, 1963. View Clint Hill's interview on Morning Joe, below.

 

Two of President John F. Kennedy's secret service agents, Jerry Blaine and Clint Hill, join the Morning Joe gang to discuss their new book on the events and their personal experience leading up to the president's assassination.

 

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Youd be better served reading "high treason".....first thing you notice is all the autopsy eye witnesses , noting the head wound and the right opcital region of the brain blown away , all said it was a frontal shot , both parkalnd and bethesda 19 people ignored by the warren commision....they instead used an observers testimony and not the foremost gunshot expert in america at the time........between parkland and bethesda the brain was removed? that would of shown pathways of bullets.....its stil missing...think about that for a second........oswald spoke russian perfectly brfore he went to russia? (cia had a great training program for that)his civil air patrol mentor was a known cia operative..he knew jack ruby...read high treason and you ll be blown away like the back of jfk head.from a frontal shot.oswald was a patsy...the mayor od dallas's brother was fried by kennedy for the bay of pigs..he had less security and the route he took was changed at the last minute.....this was many who had a grudge ,taking an opportunity to silence a president who wouldnt play ball ....he had signed the order to get out of nam,it was the first act of lbj to rescind that order.......some secret service guy who isnt privy to all the facts is just making a buck ,anyone who says it was just oswald is either mistaken or just a lier,i believe the 19 autopsy witnesses over everyone.his head blows back.the british and french documentories have severel autopsy witness statements..all american documentories use one observers testomony and ignore the leading gunshot expert in the us at the time.its like asking a 5 yr old to explain the light bulb while edison is standing next to the 5 yr old.cospiracy.....u bet!......read high treason , but itll make you sad and angry...itll change you oppinion forever , and it wont be the company line....

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Reply#1 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:07 AM EST

I have seen head shots in combat. The head moves in the opposite direction from the direction of the shot. If its a frontal shot then the head moves backwards; if a rear shot then the head moves forward. It seems we are to believe just the opposite in the case of JFK.

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#1.1 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:58 AM EST

Absolutely. High Treason is the definitive work on the subject.

    #1.2 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:24 PM EST

    Your post contradicts itself Dennis. Which is it, opposite direction or same direction? You say opposite but then describe same.

      #1.3 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:37 PM EST

      Along with JFK's autopsy photos they had an xray showing the damage to his head, in the xray it showed most of the right side of his face blown off but when you look at the picture of him in the autopsy room his face is intact. Funny the BS our govt. expects us to swallow.

        #1.4 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:38 PM EST
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        Nova did a documentary years ago proving that every single aspect of the Warren commission report was possible. They didn't prove it happened the way the commission said, but they did prove that it could have. The simplest explanation is usually correct, and all these hair-brained conspiracy theories are just plain silly. If Oswald worked for anybody, it was the Republican party. Otherwise, things went down pretty much as they appeared to.

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        Reply#2 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:42 AM EST

        I watched that show. The explanations weren't far-fetched and and most cases, made more sense than the conspiracy theories.

        I can't help but think though that the Mafia, who was instrumental in the voter "turn-out" in Chicago that put JFK over the top in the presidential election (Nixon to his great credit, didn't cry fraud even though he could have), had a major grudge because RFK went after them when he became AG.

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        #2.1 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:08 AM EST
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        I still remember that day very well.........being 59 and although I'm canadian both my parents were from USA and it was a very sad day in my house all those years ago.

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        Reply#3 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST

        "High Treason" is a very good book.  However, I highly recommend "Best Evidence" by David Lifton.  It debunks a lot of the Warren Commission's so-called findings (lone gunman, "magic bullet", autopsy).  It was very unnerving to read this book after having been raised to believe that Oswald acted alone.  "Best Evidence" is not a typical conspiracy theory book; it is based in fact.  If nothing else, it will make you think. 

          Reply#4 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:56 AM EST

          @Michael1601 The Nova documentary skirted around certain issues, especially the Parkland doctors "confirmation" of authenticity of autopsy photographs. If Oswald was the sole shooter, then why were these doctors shown these images under tight security and behind closed doors? Also, you are mistaken if you believe that the Lone Nut Assassin is the simplest explanation. If you consider a conspiracy with Oswald as an operative, then virtually ALL behaviors and evidence fall into place. This is the simplest explanation. It's easy to garner a first impression when we view or read just one source of information, but after considering the leaps of faith necessary to accept the Single Bullet Theory, common sense will prevail, and you'll understand about the coup de tat that happened this day 47 years ago.

            Reply#5 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:06 AM EST

            Read Gerald Posners Case Closed with and open mind.....

              Reply#6 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:18 AM EST
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              I think Oswald became obessed with the Rosenberg, trial and was mentally fixated on that at 16 years of age in NY...when they were executed he joined the Marines... I think he decided to avenge their deaths some kind of way... at that time...also a man was murdered in Korea where he was stationed that was never explained... his family was in his mind similar they even went to the same child care services that the Rosenberg boys did when he was truant...

                Reply#7 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:31 AM EST

                All these people spouting conspiracy theories never stop. Why does it always have to be something different than what it is or was? It gets tiring listening to all your crap! It seems as if there will always be someone who will take a small inconsistent fact of an incident and work it and re-work it until it fits their beliefs of what actually happened. Another prime example was on 9/11, God you people came out of the woodwork for that didn't you? I'm not that naive or gullible to believe everything I'm shown or told at face value, but I don't try to dig and dig to try and find something that might be just a little out of the norm and blow it up into something that it isn't, something which you people have turned into a science!

                  Reply#8 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:33 AM EST

                  So you just live in ignorance? If you don't know what really happened, it doesn't bother you at all or drive you to figure out what did happen?

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                  #8.1 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:39 PM EST

                  Doug just doesn't want life to be too complicated. He just can't imagine that our own government might want someone in our leadership dead. It happens all the time. Also, it is not a stretch to believe that the Mafia was behind the JFK assassination as promises had been made to them by Joe Kennedy to help get John elected - especially in Chicago and all of Illinois - and once JFK was in office, they went back on their promises and Bobby, now Attorney General, went after the mob with a vengence. Also, JFK got the US in a lot of trouble with the Bay of Pigs. We could have been anihillated in that fiasco. There are lots of reasons JFK could have been targeted. One can only surnise that Oswald was a patsy as I never thought him smart enough to pull off that assassination without logistic assistance. Think about it. Then read about it. Form your own opinion, but form it with knowledge and facts.

                    #8.2 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:55 PM EST

                    Jackal50 and alykat51 two prime examples, thanks for proving my point!

                      #8.3 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:00 PM EST

                      Two prime examples of what? You said that you don't believe everything you see and you don't want to go find the truth. And I just wondered if you like being ignorant. Ignorant means "lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned; lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact; uninformed; or due to or showing lack of knowledge or training" -dictionary.com So if you don't believe what you are told and don't want to know, then you are indeed ignorant. I say nothing about conspiracy theories and I'm a prime example of a person that takes "a small inconsistent fact of an incident and work it and re-work it until it fits their beliefs of what actually happened"? Wow that is a stretch.

                        #8.4 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:12 PM EST
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                        Try Doug Horns Book 5 volums very good it takes Liftons, Best Evidence and makes better sence out of it. Also don't believe every thing you read and see in the JFK murder, the goverment had all of the evidence before and after the killing.

                          Reply#9 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:43 AM EST

                          Unfortunately, we will never know the answer. Cases can be made for both. What I do know is --the Assassination and Watergate changed America forever. We were a better nation before these events. So sad!!!

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                          Reply#10 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:53 AM EST

                          Talk about a "half brained" conspiracy theory! Spare me the political BS! Kennedy was shot multiple times by multiple gunmen. Republicans? Right! And Nixon was set up by the Democrats! Get your head outa yer ass!

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                          Reply#11 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:01 PM EST

                          This is the real non-altered Zapruder film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytJq9UaBalc

                          To prove the bullets in the Stemmons sign is not a hoax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_KFnmPtsDw

                          JFK was the last true President that served the people and not the Elites (International Bankers-Federal Reserve, CIA, Pentagon, Military Industrial Complex).

                            Reply#12 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:07 PM EST

                            Before the day was over on November 22, 1963, the truth was being tossed out the window as fiction and fiction was being told as the truth. We may never know why President Kennedy was killed but we have suffered as a nation every day since . Some people work for peace and others work to make sure there isn't any. America seems to love conflict and we are no more the people we were 50 years ago.

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                            Reply#13 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:12 PM EST

                            Ridiculous... get real people! JFK was murdered by right wing elements of the CIA and MI, with anti-Castro Cubans and the Mafia in supporting roles. Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy and he didn't shoot Tippit and any attempt to prove that he did is futile because the evidence doesn't support it and it just isn't true.

                            No witness can put Oswald in that window, yet there are witnesses who put him in the 2nd floor lunchroom moments after the shooting.

                            As far as Barnacle's ridiculous comments about that being an easy shot, infinitely more qualified individuals have tried it and failed, including the FBI.

                            If one knows the evidence, it goes on and on... but it boils down to multiple shooters, the perfect patsy, a cover-up full of holes and a media that won't confront the truth.

                            I used to have high regard for Morning Joe and Joe Scarborough, but no more.

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                            Reply#14 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:28 PM EST

                            If you saw the view from the sixth floor window, you would know that was an extremely difficult shot, even without the trees in the way. Oswald was a "Marksman" level in the Marines, but they give that to just about anyone that doesn't shoot themselves or their instructor.

                            After audio of the shooting was discovered, it became possible to time the shots. This was a bolt action rifle. A 1st place finisher in armed services shooting competition was unable to even ramp in three rounds in a carcano rifle fixed in a gun vise and eject them without firing, much less aiming.

                            Kennedy was killed in a duck shoot. We all know it, but will never be able to prove it positively, because it was well covered up.

                            Following the Cuban Missile Crisis, JFK realized that weapons do not protect us. They threaten us all, including those holding them. He began advocating 'complete and total disarmament', and those were his exact words. Look at the transcripts of his speeches in his last few months.

                            He wasn't just talking about nukes, but convention weapons as well. Naturally, this was going to cost a lot of defense contractors a lot of money. Something had to be done. 

                            He was certainly not perfect, but he was the last real leader this country had. If anyone is interested in seeing how this country was totally in love with this guy, look for the documentary 'Being With JFK' I think it was a PBS production. The press conferences were do different back then. He would use notes, but you could tell he was just talking to them like they were friends. He was funny, honest, and a standup guy.

                            I still remember that day, too. They sent us home from school. My teachers were crying.

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                            Reply#15 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:30 PM EST

                            "ask not what your country can do for you, BUT what you can do for your country"

                            famous words spoken by JFK - today still, no one is listening - when will we learn ?

                              Reply#16 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:34 PM EST

                              For years I also believed that the fatal shot was fired from the grassy knoll. However an Australian marksman said, and proved, that if JFK had been shot from the knoll, the bullet would have passed through his skull and struck and killed Jackie Kennedy sitting next to the president; or at least seriously wounded her.

                                Reply#17 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:43 PM EST

                                47 years have passed. The funeral photo is interesting. Everyone I recognize in the photo except Caroline, has died. A lot of time has passed. Life is short. Let go of the conspiracies. Let the dead bury the dead, as Jesus said.

                                  Reply#18 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:48 PM EST

                                  The big question is not "who shot JFK?" But what did Jackie get the kids for Xmas? Jack in the Box.

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                                  Reply#19 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:50 PM EST

                                  How insensitive and cruel can you be arieco? You are what's wrong with this generation. No compassion for the living or dead. Grow up!

                                    #19.1 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:16 PM EST

                                    your next==on the list

                                      #19.2 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:19 PM EST
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                                      The Secret service was involved. They slowed/stopped the car during the shooting and waited until the head shot before reacting which was after several shots were already fired. It was their training to react immediately and they didn't. They lied then and they continue to lie today.

                                        Reply#20 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:56 PM EST

                                        I remember that sad day. I was in High School, and the feeling was of utter disbelief. Something that will stay with me forever.

                                        As for the conspiracy theories, I think it was a solo act by one individual, named Lee Harvey Oswald.
                                        People will believe if what they want to believe in. Nothing said will change their minds. This is what I believe, and unless some new evidence is uncovered, that is what I believe happened.

                                        Kids now a days read about the assassination like we did about the Lincoln assissination. Hopefully they will not have to experience something like that first hand.

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                                        Reply#21 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:57 PM EST

                                        I don't think it's fair to equate skepticism about the Kennedy assassination with 9/11 "inside job" theories. I'm skeptical of all "lone, whacko gunman" explanations of political assassinations because I've studied a lot of history. There are times when the simplest explanation is NOT the best, particularly when there's so much at stake, and one man's death has the potential to achieve so many goals. I will ponder this case until the day I die. That doesn't make me the equal of a 9/11 wing nut.

                                          Reply#22 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:01 PM EST

                                          The problem is none of us were there when it happened. The ones that saw this first hand should all have been detained and question one at a time. It may have given a better picture of what happened. I know where I was that day in Mr Wata's typing class at Tam high. through the years I have heard and thought through many ideas on how it happened. Not on why it happened.

                                          I do believe Oswald could pull off 3 shots in the time he had with the rifle he had. I also believe that he was a good enough shot to hit what he was aiming at. Trying to figure out which way a head moves does not always indicate which direction the shot came from. This is what most conspirators guesses are based on. The skull was also shattered on that one side. This was an off center shot to the right side. Put your fingers on your head thumb on the back off center to the right and the index figure on the edge of your eye brow, now look at the distance I get about 4.5 inches. Now move your thumb up or down to simulate different built paths. I get about 5/8 inch high and that angle would suggest that the bullet came from above and behind. Like where Oswald was.

                                          Trying to get a bullet path through brain matter not going to work as the brain goes to juice in that kind of situation. Another item conspirators use to make their point.

                                          I now believe that Oswald took all 3 shots. I am not saying that he did this alone or was paid to do it or ?? I am just saying he took the 3 shots but do not know why.

                                          He could have been working for Nixon or the Mafia

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                                          Reply#24 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:10 PM EST

                                          Oswald was a well placed individual(Patsy). The weapon was a piece of crap. Triangulation of fire that, was the demon hit. The groups of men behind this were in the General staff,FBI/CIA/Mob. These four groups were very discontent at the Presidents policy decisions. Quite a bit went wrong across the board of the President's protection group. The question remains, now that the records were destroyed in the OKlahoma City bombing escapade where are the copies of these records?

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                                          #24.1 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:55 PM EST
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                                          Maybe its a coincidence but apparently we are also on some big anniversary of "who shot J.R." too. All I know for sure is they both happened in Texas.

                                            Reply#25 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:15 PM EST
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